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"To hold them out at half-time, credit to the lads for putting their heads in where you wouldn't put a shovel, the mental lift that gave us was huge," he admitted.

They are consumed with themselves, but long to be outside their heads.

It just occupied more space in people’s heads, which I think was beneficial to the show.

Mike Bonin, who heads the Pat Brown Institute for Public Affairs at Cal State L.A., said he thinks that Bass’ career of building multiracial, multiethnic coalitions makes her uniquely suited to the moment.

Barbara had so many seasons to her life and so many things she was interested in, so we wanted to make sure there wasn’t too much overlap in the talking heads interviews as well.